Discussion:
Getting out of Standby
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john2
2006-06-26 08:54:17 UTC
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I've got a couple of PC's, the older one is woken out of standby just by
moving the mouse a fraction. The newer one needs the power button to be
pressed. The old one is a right pain as just jogging the table starts
it up.
Are there settings in control panel to adjust this ?

thanks

john2
Max Demian
2006-06-26 09:18:35 UTC
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Post by john2
I've got a couple of PC's, the older one is woken out of standby just by
moving the mouse a fraction. The newer one needs the power button to be
pressed.
Does it not also come out by pressing a key on the keyboard?
Post by john2
The old one is a right pain as just jogging the table starts it up.
Are there settings in control panel to adjust this ?
If you find out, let me know. I have that trouble too. I've found an option
to disable the keyboard wake-up, but not the mouse. I would like it to come
out with the keyboard only.
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Max Demian
Roger
2006-06-26 14:07:19 UTC
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Post by john2
I've got a couple of PC's, the older one is woken out of standby just by
moving the mouse a fraction. The newer one needs the power button to be
pressed. The old one is a right pain as just jogging the table starts it
up.
Are there settings in control panel to adjust this ?
It may help us to help you if you quote the O/S you are using.
Grimly Fiendish
2006-06-26 18:06:54 UTC
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Post by Roger
Post by john2
I've got a couple of PC's, the older one is woken out of standby just by
moving the mouse a fraction. The newer one needs the power button to be
pressed. The old one is a right pain as just jogging the table starts it
up.
Are there settings in control panel to adjust this ?
It may help us to help you if you quote the O/S you are using.
Though i doubt it !
Roger
2006-06-26 14:22:35 UTC
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Post by john2
I've got a couple of PC's, the older one is woken out of standby just by
moving the mouse a fraction. The newer one needs the power button to be
pressed. The old one is a right pain as just jogging the table starts it
up.
Are there settings in control panel to adjust this ?
While we wait for reply to my first post go to Start>Control Panel>
Performance or power options. And then list the setting you have under
tabs Power scheme, Advanced, Hibernate. This will help the group to spot
possible problem.
Pod
2006-06-26 14:52:43 UTC
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Post by john2
I've got a couple of PC's, the older one is woken out of standby just by
moving the mouse a fraction. The newer one needs the power button to be
pressed. The old one is a right pain as just jogging the table starts it
up.
Are there settings in control panel to adjust this ?
In Control Panel look for 'Mouse', Double Click this and select the Hardware
Tab, then the Properties Tab, then the Power Management Tab, untick 'Allow
this device to bring the computer out of stand-by'.
Max Demian
2006-06-26 16:58:50 UTC
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Post by Pod
Post by john2
I've got a couple of PC's, the older one is woken out of standby just by
moving the mouse a fraction. The newer one needs the power button to be
pressed. The old one is a right pain as just jogging the table starts it
up.
Are there settings in control panel to adjust this ?
In Control Panel look for 'Mouse', Double Click this and select the
Hardware Tab, then the Properties Tab, then the Power Management Tab,
untick 'Allow this device to bring the computer out of stand-by'.
I've got XP (Home Edition SP2), and there isn't a Power Management tab at
this point, just General, Advanced Settings and Driver, none of which offers
the option you describe.
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Max Demian
Roger
2006-06-26 19:47:31 UTC
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Post by Max Demian
Post by Pod
Post by john2
I've got a couple of PC's, the older one is woken out of standby just by
moving the mouse a fraction. The newer one needs the power button to be
pressed. The old one is a right pain as just jogging the table starts
it up.
Are there settings in control panel to adjust this ?
In Control Panel look for 'Mouse', Double Click this and select the
Hardware Tab, then the Properties Tab, then the Power Management Tab,
untick 'Allow this device to bring the computer out of stand-by'.
I've got XP (Home Edition SP2), and there isn't a Power Management tab at
this point, just General, Advanced Settings and Driver, none of which
offers the option you describe.
Max I have xp pro, but I don't think there is a difference on control
Panel.
On my 15:22 post I showed how to access power options.
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Max Demian
2006-06-26 21:44:53 UTC
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Post by Roger
Post by Max Demian
Post by Pod
Post by john2
I've got a couple of PC's, the older one is woken out of standby just
by moving the mouse a fraction. The newer one needs the power button
to be pressed. The old one is a right pain as just jogging the table
starts it up.
Are there settings in control panel to adjust this ?
In Control Panel look for 'Mouse', Double Click this and select the
Hardware Tab, then the Properties Tab, then the Power Management Tab,
untick 'Allow this device to bring the computer out of stand-by'.
I've got XP (Home Edition SP2), and there isn't a Power Management tab at
this point, just General, Advanced Settings and Driver, none of which
offers the option you describe.
Max I have xp pro, but I don't think there is a difference on control
Panel.
I have the options you describe from the Keyboard icon in the Control Panel,
but not the Mouse one.
Post by Roger
On my 15:22 post I showed how to access power options.
That doesn't mention anything about the mouse.
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Max Demian
Roger
2006-06-27 08:48:04 UTC
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Post by Max Demian
Post by Roger
Post by Max Demian
Post by Pod
Post by john2
I've got a couple of PC's, the older one is woken out of standby just
by moving the mouse a fraction. The newer one needs the power button
to be pressed. The old one is a right pain as just jogging the table
starts it up.
Are there settings in control panel to adjust this ?
In Control Panel look for 'Mouse', Double Click this and select the
Hardware Tab, then the Properties Tab, then the Power Management Tab,
untick 'Allow this device to bring the computer out of stand-by'.
I've got XP (Home Edition SP2), and there isn't a Power Management tab
at this point, just General, Advanced Settings and Driver, none of which
offers the option you describe.
Max I have xp pro, but I don't think there is a difference on control
Panel.
I have the options you describe from the Keyboard icon in the Control
Panel, but not the Mouse one.
Post by Roger
On my 15:22 post I showed how to access power options.
That doesn't mention anything about the mouse.
I was not referring to the mouse, only to power option settings to get out
of standby,as the op had a problem with as well !
john2
2006-06-26 18:10:56 UTC
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Post by Pod
Post by john2
I've got a couple of PC's, the older one is woken out of standby just by
moving the mouse a fraction. The newer one needs the power button to be
pressed. The old one is a right pain as just jogging the table starts it
up.
Are there settings in control panel to adjust this ?
In Control Panel look for 'Mouse', Double Click this and select the Hardware
Tab, then the Properties Tab, then the Power Management Tab, untick 'Allow
this device to bring the computer out of stand-by'.
That sounded good, but I don't have that option in the mouse/hardware
panel.
OS is XP Home with SP2 for both computers, but they behave differently
for wake-up which is why I thought it may be a sofware set up. The
newer one only comes out of standby with the power button, nothing else
stirs it up, which is ideal.

john2
john2
2006-06-26 18:31:48 UTC
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Post by john2
Post by Pod
Post by john2
I've got a couple of PC's, the older one is woken out of standby just
by moving the mouse a fraction. The newer one needs the power button
to be pressed. The old one is a right pain as just jogging the table
starts it up.
Are there settings in control panel to adjust this ?
In Control Panel look for 'Mouse', Double Click this and select the
Hardware Tab, then the Properties Tab, then the Power Management Tab,
untick 'Allow this device to bring the computer out of stand-by'.
That sounded good, but I don't have that option in the mouse/hardware
panel.
OS is XP Home with SP2 for both computers, but they behave differently
for wake-up which is why I thought it may be a sofware set up. The
newer one only comes out of standby with the power button, nothing else
stirs it up, which is ideal.
john2
Slight correction, I do have that mouse power option in the new PC
which is about 14 months old. I don't in the older one which about 4
years old and has had XP reloaded from the OEM CD (several times). It
may have had the no-mouse option as originally set up at the factory.
So is this a hardware feature or software. Both PC's are Targa's and
almost identical apart from age.

john2
Chris Game
2006-06-26 18:57:16 UTC
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Post by john2
Slight correction, I do have that mouse power option in the new
PC which is about 14 months old. I don't in the older one which
about 4 years old and has had XP reloaded from the OEM CD
(several times). It may have had the no-mouse option as
originally set up at the factory. So is this a hardware feature
or software. Both PC's are Targa's and almost identical apart
from age.
If that didn't work there are power management options in the BIOS
to play with. On my Dell USC-only machine, I had to load a special
registry fix (kindly pointed out to me by someone on the Dell felp
forums).
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Chris Game

All generalizations are false, including this one.
Chris Game
2006-06-27 13:28:42 UTC
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Post by Chris Game
Post by john2
Slight correction, I do have that mouse power option in the new
PC which is about 14 months old. I don't in the older one which
about 4 years old and has had XP reloaded from the OEM CD
(several times). It may have had the no-mouse option as
originally set up at the factory. So is this a hardware feature
or software. Both PC's are Targa's and almost identical apart
from age.
If that didn't work there are power management options in the
BIOS to play with. On my Dell USC-only machine, I had to load a
special registry fix (kindly pointed out to me by someone on the
Dell felp forums).
Oops, few typos there...USB...help...
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Chris Game

"Never memorize something that you can look up."
-- Albert Einstein
Grimly Fiendish
2006-06-27 01:39:08 UTC
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Post by john2
Post by Pod
Post by john2
I've got a couple of PC's, the older one is woken out of standby just
by moving the mouse a fraction. The newer one needs the power button
to be pressed. The old one is a right pain as just jogging the table
starts it up.
Are there settings in control panel to adjust this ?
In Control Panel look for 'Mouse', Double Click this and select the
Hardware Tab, then the Properties Tab, then the Power Management Tab,
untick 'Allow this device to bring the computer out of stand-by'.
That sounded good, but I don't have that option in the mouse/hardware
panel.
OS is XP Home with SP2 for both computers, but they behave differently
for wake-up which is why I thought it may be a sofware set up. The newer
one only comes out of standby with the power button, nothing else stirs
it up, which is ideal.
john2
Slight correction, I do have that mouse power option in the new PC which
is about 14 months old. I don't in the older one which about 4 years old
and has had XP reloaded from the OEM CD (several times). It may have had
the no-mouse option as originally set up at the factory.
So is this a hardware feature or software. Both PC's are Targa's and
almost identical apart from age.
I don't on mine either so the question is why is this ? Is it home/pro
difference or what ?
ROS402dn
2006-06-27 12:22:42 UTC
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Post by Grimly Fiendish
Post by john2
Post by Pod
Post by john2
I've got a couple of PC's, the older one is woken out of standby just
by moving the mouse a fraction. The newer one needs the power button
to be pressed. The old one is a right pain as just jogging the table
starts it up.
Are there settings in control panel to adjust this ?
In Control Panel look for 'Mouse', Double Click this and select the
Hardware Tab, then the Properties Tab, then the Power Management Tab,
untick 'Allow this device to bring the computer out of stand-by'.
That sounded good, but I don't have that option in the mouse/hardware
panel.
OS is XP Home with SP2 for both computers, but they behave differently
for wake-up which is why I thought it may be a sofware set up. The
newer one only comes out of standby with the power button, nothing
else stirs it up, which is ideal.
Slight correction, I do have that mouse power option in the new PC which
is about 14 months old. I don't in the older one which about 4 years old
and has had XP reloaded from the OEM CD (several times). It may have had
the no-mouse option as originally set up at the factory.
So is this a hardware feature or software. Both PC's are Targa's and
almost identical apart from age.
I don't on mine either so the question is why is this ? Is it home/pro
difference or what ?
So, when you goto -
Control Panel
Mouse
Hardware Tab
Properties button
Power Management Tab

You don't have -
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That panel can also be reached from device manager.
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Ed Cryer
2006-06-27 15:53:53 UTC
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Post by ROS402dn
Post by Grimly Fiendish
Post by john2
Post by Pod
Post by john2
I've got a couple of PC's, the older one is woken out of standby just
by moving the mouse a fraction. The newer one needs the power button
to be pressed. The old one is a right pain as just jogging the table
starts it up.
Are there settings in control panel to adjust this ?
In Control Panel look for 'Mouse', Double Click this and select the
Hardware Tab, then the Properties Tab, then the Power Management Tab,
untick 'Allow this device to bring the computer out of stand-by'.
That sounded good, but I don't have that option in the mouse/hardware
panel.
OS is XP Home with SP2 for both computers, but they behave differently
for wake-up which is why I thought it may be a sofware set up. The
newer one only comes out of standby with the power button, nothing
else stirs it up, which is ideal.
Slight correction, I do have that mouse power option in the new PC which
is about 14 months old. I don't in the older one which about 4 years old
and has had XP reloaded from the OEM CD (several times). It may have had
the no-mouse option as originally set up at the factory.
So is this a hardware feature or software. Both PC's are Targa's and
almost identical apart from age.
I don't on mine either so the question is why is this ? Is it home/pro
difference or what ?
So, when you goto -
Control Panel
Mouse
Hardware Tab
Properties button
Power Management Tab
You don't have -
http://www.bitbrain.dynu.com/Public/Screenshots/MouseProperties.png
That panel can also be reached from device manager.
http://www.bitbrain.dynu.com/Public/Screenshots/MouseProperties2.png
No, me neither. Mine looks like this;
http://tinyurl.com/jlpc4

And, in case you're wondering, I have XP SP2 fully up-to-date.

Ed
Grimly Fiendish
2006-06-27 17:50:57 UTC
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Post by Ed Cryer
Post by ROS402dn
Post by Grimly Fiendish
Post by john2
Post by Pod
Post by john2
I've got a couple of PC's, the older one is woken out of standby just
by moving the mouse a fraction. The newer one needs the power button
to be pressed. The old one is a right pain as just jogging the table
starts it up.
Are there settings in control panel to adjust this ?
In Control Panel look for 'Mouse', Double Click this and select the
Hardware Tab, then the Properties Tab, then the Power Management Tab,
untick 'Allow this device to bring the computer out of stand-by'.
That sounded good, but I don't have that option in the mouse/hardware
panel.
OS is XP Home with SP2 for both computers, but they behave differently
for wake-up which is why I thought it may be a sofware set up. The
newer one only comes out of standby with the power button, nothing
else stirs it up, which is ideal.
Slight correction, I do have that mouse power option in the new PC which
is about 14 months old. I don't in the older one which about 4 years old
and has had XP reloaded from the OEM CD (several times). It may have had
the no-mouse option as originally set up at the factory.
So is this a hardware feature or software. Both PC's are Targa's and
almost identical apart from age.
I don't on mine either so the question is why is this ? Is it home/pro
difference or what ?
So, when you goto -
Control Panel
Mouse
Hardware Tab
Properties button
Power Management Tab
You don't have -
http://www.bitbrain.dynu.com/Public/Screenshots/MouseProperties.png
That panel can also be reached from device manager.
http://www.bitbrain.dynu.com/Public/Screenshots/MouseProperties2.png
No, me neither. Mine looks like this;
http://tinyurl.com/jlpc4
Same here
Grimly Fiendish
2006-06-27 17:50:26 UTC
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Post by ROS402dn
Post by Grimly Fiendish
Post by john2
Post by Pod
Post by john2
I've got a couple of PC's, the older one is woken out of standby just
by moving the mouse a fraction. The newer one needs the power button
to be pressed. The old one is a right pain as just jogging the table
starts it up.
Are there settings in control panel to adjust this ?
In Control Panel look for 'Mouse', Double Click this and select the
Hardware Tab, then the Properties Tab, then the Power Management Tab,
untick 'Allow this device to bring the computer out of stand-by'.
That sounded good, but I don't have that option in the mouse/hardware
panel.
OS is XP Home with SP2 for both computers, but they behave differently
for wake-up which is why I thought it may be a sofware set up. The
newer one only comes out of standby with the power button, nothing
else stirs it up, which is ideal.
Slight correction, I do have that mouse power option in the new PC which
is about 14 months old. I don't in the older one which about 4 years old
and has had XP reloaded from the OEM CD (several times). It may have had
the no-mouse option as originally set up at the factory.
So is this a hardware feature or software. Both PC's are Targa's and
almost identical apart from age.
I don't on mine either so the question is why is this ? Is it home/pro
difference or what ?
So, when you goto -
Control Panel
Mouse
Hardware Tab
Properties button
Power Management Tab
You don't have -
http://www.bitbrain.dynu.com/Public/Screenshots/MouseProperties.png
No, only 3 tabs, no power management tab, could it be to do with the power
management settings, mines set to always on - never - never - never.
ROS402dn
2006-06-27 19:10:20 UTC
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<snippy>
Post by Grimly Fiendish
Post by ROS402dn
Post by Grimly Fiendish
I don't on mine either so the question is why is this ? Is it home/pro
difference or what ?
So, when you goto -
Control Panel
Mouse
Hardware Tab
Properties button
Power Management Tab
You don't have -
http://www.bitbrain.dynu.com/Public/Screenshots/MouseProperties.png
No, only 3 tabs, no power management tab, could it be to do with the power
management settings, mines set to always on - never - never - never.
Ditto, Always On, Never, Never, Never.

Windows XP Pro SP2
3 button optical scroll wheel PS/2 mouse (Logitech),
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Ed Cryer
2006-06-27 21:38:51 UTC
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Post by ROS402dn
<snippy>
Post by Grimly Fiendish
Post by ROS402dn
Post by Grimly Fiendish
I don't on mine either so the question is why is this ? Is it home/pro
difference or what ?
So, when you goto -
Control Panel
Mouse
Hardware Tab
Properties button
Power Management Tab
You don't have -
http://www.bitbrain.dynu.com/Public/Screenshots/MouseProperties.png
No, only 3 tabs, no power management tab, could it be to do with the power
management settings, mines set to always on - never - never - never.
Ditto, Always On, Never, Never, Never.
Windows XP Pro SP2
3 button optical scroll wheel PS/2 mouse (Logitech),
Mine are Never, Never, Never, Never.
Windows XP Home SP2.
2 button + scroll PS/2 mouse .

Ed
Grimly Fiendish
2006-06-28 04:44:35 UTC
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Post by Ed Cryer
Post by ROS402dn
<snippy>
Post by Grimly Fiendish
Post by ROS402dn
Post by Grimly Fiendish
I don't on mine either so the question is why is this ? Is it home/pro
difference or what ?
So, when you goto -
Control Panel
Mouse
Hardware Tab
Properties button
Power Management Tab
You don't have -
http://www.bitbrain.dynu.com/Public/Screenshots/MouseProperties.png
No, only 3 tabs, no power management tab, could it be to do with the power
management settings, mines set to always on - never - never - never.
Ditto, Always On, Never, Never, Never.
Windows XP Pro SP2
3 button optical scroll wheel PS/2 mouse (Logitech),
Mine are Never, Never, Never, Never.
Windows XP Home SP2.
2 button + scroll PS/2 mouse .
Ed
Come on what's the answer, quit saying mine has it are you sure yours
doesn't have it to (ROS !), we established quite some time ago that some
have it and some don't (if you trust the folks on here to be clever enough
to know that !).
If i'm not mistaken it would appear that it doesn't matter wether you have
Home or Pro or what SP you have, as Ed has home and i have Pro with SP2 and
we don't have it, but Ros has Pro with SP2 and does, my SP2 was added as an
upgrade but i wouldn't have thought that would make a difference.
Another possibilty is that Ros has got the proper Logitec driver installed
by the look of it, i'm using the generic PS/2 Compatible Mouse driver, not
sure about Ed, mines actually a 2 button + scroll PS/2 mouse aswell but it's
not been installed as that.
Max Demian
2006-06-28 08:57:02 UTC
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Post by Grimly Fiendish
Post by Ed Cryer
Post by ROS402dn
<snippy>
Post by Grimly Fiendish
Post by ROS402dn
Post by Grimly Fiendish
I don't on mine either so the question is why is this ? Is it home/pro
difference or what ?
So, when you goto -
Control Panel
Mouse
Hardware Tab
Properties button
Power Management Tab
You don't have -
http://www.bitbrain.dynu.com/Public/Screenshots/MouseProperties.png
No, only 3 tabs, no power management tab, could it be to do with the power
management settings, mines set to always on - never - never - never.
Ditto, Always On, Never, Never, Never.
Windows XP Pro SP2
3 button optical scroll wheel PS/2 mouse (Logitech),
Mine are Never, Never, Never, Never.
Windows XP Home SP2.
2 button + scroll PS/2 mouse .
Ed
Come on what's the answer, quit saying mine has it are you sure yours
doesn't have it to (ROS !), we established quite some time ago that some
have it and some don't (if you trust the folks on here to be clever enough
to know that !).
If i'm not mistaken it would appear that it doesn't matter wether you have
Home or Pro or what SP you have, as Ed has home and i have Pro with SP2
and we don't have it, but Ros has Pro with SP2 and does, my SP2 was added
as an upgrade but i wouldn't have thought that would make a difference.
Another possibilty is that Ros has got the proper Logitec driver installed
by the look of it, i'm using the generic PS/2 Compatible Mouse driver, not
sure about Ed, mines actually a 2 button + scroll PS/2 mouse aswell but
it's not been installed as that.
Yes, I think it is probably down to the mouse driver you have. I've got the
Microsoft PS/2 Compatible Mouse driver version 5.1.2600.0 dated 01/07/2001
and I don't have the Power Management Tab.
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Ed Cryer
2006-06-28 14:15:33 UTC
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Post by Max Demian
Post by Grimly Fiendish
Post by Ed Cryer
Post by ROS402dn
<snippy>
Post by Grimly Fiendish
Post by ROS402dn
Post by Grimly Fiendish
I don't on mine either so the question is why is this ? Is it home/pro
difference or what ?
So, when you goto -
Control Panel
Mouse
Hardware Tab
Properties button
Power Management Tab
You don't have -
http://www.bitbrain.dynu.com/Public/Screenshots/MouseProperties.png
No, only 3 tabs, no power management tab, could it be to do with the power
management settings, mines set to always on - never - never - never.
Ditto, Always On, Never, Never, Never.
Windows XP Pro SP2
3 button optical scroll wheel PS/2 mouse (Logitech),
Mine are Never, Never, Never, Never.
Windows XP Home SP2.
2 button + scroll PS/2 mouse .
Ed
Come on what's the answer, quit saying mine has it are you sure yours
doesn't have it to (ROS !), we established quite some time ago that some
have it and some don't (if you trust the folks on here to be clever
enough to know that !).
If i'm not mistaken it would appear that it doesn't matter wether you
have Home or Pro or what SP you have, as Ed has home and i have Pro with
SP2 and we don't have it, but Ros has Pro with SP2 and does, my SP2 was
added as an upgrade but i wouldn't have thought that would make a
difference.
Another possibilty is that Ros has got the proper Logitec driver
installed by the look of it, i'm using the generic PS/2 Compatible Mouse
driver, not sure about Ed, mines actually a 2 button + scroll PS/2 mouse
aswell but it's not been installed as that.
Yes, I think it is probably down to the mouse driver you have. I've got
the Microsoft PS/2 Compatible Mouse driver version 5.1.2600.0 dated
01/07/2001 and I don't have the Power Management Tab.
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Max Demian
My mouse driver is the same.

Ed

P.S. I've lost track of why and wherefore in this thread, but somehow I got
involved in it and I feel morally obliged to keep going. I hope someone
knows where we're going.
How about the OP? Is he deriving any benefit?
Max Demian
2006-06-28 14:43:40 UTC
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In message
<snippy>
Post by Grimly Fiendish
Post by Grimly Fiendish
I don't on mine either so the question is why is this ? Is it home/pro
difference or what ?
So, when you goto -
Control Panel
Mouse
Hardware Tab
Properties button
Power Management Tab
You don't have -
http://www.bitbrain.dynu.com/Public/Screenshots/MouseProperties.png
No, only 3 tabs, no power management tab, could it be to do with the power
management settings, mines set to always on - never - never - never.
Ditto, Always On, Never, Never, Never.
Windows XP Pro SP2
3 button optical scroll wheel PS/2 mouse (Logitech),
Mine are Never, Never, Never, Never.
Windows XP Home SP2.
2 button + scroll PS/2 mouse .
Ed
Come on what's the answer, quit saying mine has it are you sure yours
doesn't have it to (ROS !), we established quite some time ago that some
have it and some don't (if you trust the folks on here to be clever
enough to know that !).
If i'm not mistaken it would appear that it doesn't matter wether you
have Home or Pro or what SP you have, as Ed has home and i have Pro with
SP2 and we don't have it, but Ros has Pro with SP2 and does, my SP2 was
added as an upgrade but i wouldn't have thought that would make a
difference.
Another possibilty is that Ros has got the proper Logitec driver
installed by the look of it, i'm using the generic PS/2 Compatible Mouse
driver, not sure about Ed, mines actually a 2 button + scroll PS/2 mouse
aswell but it's not been installed as that.
Yes, I think it is probably down to the mouse driver you have. I've got
the Microsoft PS/2 Compatible Mouse driver version 5.1.2600.0 dated
01/07/2001 and I don't have the Power Management Tab.
My mouse driver is the same.
P.S. I've lost track of why and wherefore in this thread,
So have I.
Post by Ed Cryer
but somehow I got involved in it and I feel morally obliged to keep going.
I hope someone knows where we're going.
So you've got the same mouse driver as me. Do you have the Power Management
Tab or not?
--
Max Demian
Roger
2006-06-28 15:26:36 UTC
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Post by Max Demian
Post by Ed Cryer
Post by Max Demian
Post by Grimly Fiendish
Post by Ed Cryer
Post by ROS402dn
Post by Grimly Fiendish
In message
<snippy>
Post by Grimly Fiendish
Post by Grimly Fiendish
I don't on mine either so the question is why is this ? Is it home/pro
difference or what ?
So, when you goto -
Control Panel
Mouse
Hardware Tab
Properties button
Power Management Tab
You don't have -
http://www.bitbrain.dynu.com/Public/Screenshots/MouseProperties.png
No, only 3 tabs, no power management tab, could it be to do with the power
management settings, mines set to always on - never - never - never.
Ditto, Always On, Never, Never, Never.
Windows XP Pro SP2
3 button optical scroll wheel PS/2 mouse (Logitech),
Mine are Never, Never, Never, Never.
Windows XP Home SP2.
2 button + scroll PS/2 mouse .
Ed
Come on what's the answer, quit saying mine has it are you sure yours
doesn't have it to (ROS !), we established quite some time ago that
some have it and some don't (if you trust the folks on here to be
clever enough to know that !).
If i'm not mistaken it would appear that it doesn't matter wether you
have Home or Pro or what SP you have, as Ed has home and i have Pro
with SP2 and we don't have it, but Ros has Pro with SP2 and does, my
SP2 was added as an upgrade but i wouldn't have thought that would make
a difference.
Another possibilty is that Ros has got the proper Logitec driver
installed by the look of it, i'm using the generic PS/2 Compatible
Mouse driver, not sure about Ed, mines actually a 2 button + scroll
PS/2 mouse aswell but it's not been installed as that.
Yes, I think it is probably down to the mouse driver you have. I've got
the Microsoft PS/2 Compatible Mouse driver version 5.1.2600.0 dated
01/07/2001 and I don't have the Power Management Tab.
My mouse driver is the same.
P.S. I've lost track of why and wherefore in this thread,
So have I.
Post by Ed Cryer
but somehow I got involved in it and I feel morally obliged to keep
going. I hope someone knows where we're going.
So you've got the same mouse driver as me. Do you have the Power
Management Tab or not?
I have Logitech compatible mouse PS/2 latest driver 28/03/06 V 2.60.0.0 This
is how I found power management tab on xp.
C/P>Printers & Other hardware>Mouse>Hardware Tab>properties>Power
Management. You have 3 others =General,Advanced settings,Driver.

www.logitech.com/support/desktops may be of help to check updates.
"Roger"
==================== =======================
Max Demian
2006-06-28 18:51:27 UTC
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Post by Roger
Post by Max Demian
Post by Ed Cryer
Post by Max Demian
Post by Grimly Fiendish
Post by Ed Cryer
In message
Post by Grimly Fiendish
In message
<snippy>
Post by Grimly Fiendish
Post by Grimly Fiendish
I don't on mine either so the question is why is this ? Is it home/pro
difference or what ?
So, when you goto -
Control Panel
Mouse
Hardware Tab
Properties button
Power Management Tab
You don't have -
http://www.bitbrain.dynu.com/Public/Screenshots/MouseProperties.png
No, only 3 tabs, no power management tab, could it be to do with the power
management settings, mines set to always on - never - never - never.
Ditto, Always On, Never, Never, Never.
Windows XP Pro SP2
3 button optical scroll wheel PS/2 mouse (Logitech),
Mine are Never, Never, Never, Never.
Windows XP Home SP2.
2 button + scroll PS/2 mouse .
Ed
Come on what's the answer, quit saying mine has it are you sure yours
doesn't have it to (ROS !), we established quite some time ago that
some have it and some don't (if you trust the folks on here to be
clever enough to know that !).
If i'm not mistaken it would appear that it doesn't matter wether you
have Home or Pro or what SP you have, as Ed has home and i have Pro
with SP2 and we don't have it, but Ros has Pro with SP2 and does, my
SP2 was added as an upgrade but i wouldn't have thought that would
make a difference.
Another possibilty is that Ros has got the proper Logitec driver
installed by the look of it, i'm using the generic PS/2 Compatible
Mouse driver, not sure about Ed, mines actually a 2 button + scroll
PS/2 mouse aswell but it's not been installed as that.
Yes, I think it is probably down to the mouse driver you have. I've got
the Microsoft PS/2 Compatible Mouse driver version 5.1.2600.0 dated
01/07/2001 and I don't have the Power Management Tab.
My mouse driver is the same.
P.S. I've lost track of why and wherefore in this thread,
So have I.
Post by Ed Cryer
but somehow I got involved in it and I feel morally obliged to keep
going. I hope someone knows where we're going.
So you've got the same mouse driver as me. Do you have the Power
Management Tab or not?
I have Logitech compatible mouse PS/2 latest driver 28/03/06 V 2.60.0.0
This is how I found power management tab on xp.
C/P>Printers & Other hardware>Mouse>Hardware Tab>properties>Power
Management. You have 3 others =General,Advanced settings,Driver.
www.logitech.com/support/desktops may be of help to check updates.
'Cept I have a Dell mouse, not a Logitech one.
--
Max Demian
Ed Cryer
2006-06-28 17:26:31 UTC
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Post by Max Demian
So you've got the same mouse driver as me. Do you have the Power
Management Tab or not?
No. I'm sure I did once, but it's gone now. Don't know where or when.
Somewhere along the path of thousands of MS updates.

Ed
Chris Game
2006-06-28 15:40:49 UTC
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Post by Ed Cryer
I've lost track of why and wherefore in this thread, but somehow I
got involved in it and I feel morally obliged to keep going. I
hope someone knows where we're going.
Boil that down to one line, and you've got yourself a sig!
--
Chris Game

"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
-- Albert Einstein
Ant
2006-06-28 21:16:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Chris Game
Post by Ed Cryer
I've lost track of why and wherefore in this thread, but somehow I
got involved in it and I feel morally obliged to keep going. I
hope someone knows where we're going.
Boil that down to one line, and you've got yourself a sig!
"I don't know where I am or what I am".
Chris Game
2006-06-28 23:08:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ant
Post by Chris Game
Post by Ed Cryer
I've lost track of why and wherefore in this thread, but somehow
I got involved in it and I feel morally obliged to keep going.
I hope someone knows where we're going.
Boil that down to one line, and you've got yourself a sig!
"I don't know where I am or what I am".
Hell, three lines is good enough, the one line summary just doesn't
convey the full sense of it. Good try though.
--
Chris Game

All generalizations are false, including this one.
Ed Cryer
2006-06-29 02:11:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Chris Game
Post by Ant
Post by Chris Game
Post by Ed Cryer
I've lost track of why and wherefore in this thread, but somehow
I got involved in it and I feel morally obliged to keep going.
I hope someone knows where we're going.
Boil that down to one line, and you've got yourself a sig!
"I don't know where I am or what I am".
Hell, three lines is good enough, the one line summary just doesn't
convey the full sense of it. Good try though.
Nice to read this, Chris. You're coming on from clichés and platitudes to a
more direct engagement with life.
I think you've also given a good example of how the tabloids take a speech
by, say, Tony Blair (which may have lasted for an hour and ranged over a
whole bunch of issues) and then banner-headline something like "Blair admits
I'm crazy".

Well, you know that old saying; Education, education, education.

Ed
Grimly Fiendish
2006-06-29 11:05:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ed Cryer
Post by Chris Game
Post by Ant
Post by Chris Game
Post by Ed Cryer
I've lost track of why and wherefore in this thread, but somehow
I got involved in it and I feel morally obliged to keep going.
I hope someone knows where we're going.
Boil that down to one line, and you've got yourself a sig!
"I don't know where I am or what I am".
Hell, three lines is good enough, the one line summary just doesn't
convey the full sense of it. Good try though.
Nice to read this, Chris. You're coming on from clichés and platitudes to
a more direct engagement with life.
I think you've also given a good example of how the tabloids take a speech
by, say, Tony Blair (which may have lasted for an hour and ranged over a
whole bunch of issues) and then banner-headline something like "Blair
admits I'm crazy".
Well, you know that old saying; Education, education, education.
Great just what we wanted, an article by Mystic Meg, or is Marjorie ?
Ed Cryer
2006-06-29 11:12:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Grimly Fiendish
Post by Chris Game
Post by Ant
Post by Chris Game
Post by Ed Cryer
I've lost track of why and wherefore in this thread, but somehow
I got involved in it and I feel morally obliged to keep going.
I hope someone knows where we're going.
Boil that down to one line, and you've got yourself a sig!
"I don't know where I am or what I am".
Hell, three lines is good enough, the one line summary just doesn't
convey the full sense of it. Good try though.
Nice to read this, Chris. You're coming on from clichs and platitudes to
a more direct engagement with life.
I think you've also given a good example of how the tabloids take a
speech by, say, Tony Blair (which may have lasted for an hour and ranged
over a whole bunch of issues) and then banner-headline something like
"Blair admits I'm crazy".
Well, you know that old saying; Education, education, education.
Great just what we wanted, an article by Mystic Meg, or is Marjorie ?
Did either of those two write "LÊtre et le Néant"? Or "Also Sprach
Zarathustra"?
Ed Cryer
2006-06-29 12:29:34 UTC
Permalink
Try this for size from Friedrich Nietzsche.

We aeronauts of the spirit!— All those brave birds which fly out into the
distance, into the farthest distance—it is certain! somewhere or other they
will be unable to go on and will perch on a mast or a bare cliff-face—and
they will even be thankful for this miserable accommodation! But who could
venture to infer from that, that there was not an immense open space before
them, that they had flown as far as one could fly! All our great teachers
and predecessors have at last come to a stop and it is not with the noblest
or most graceful of gestures that weariness comes to a stop: it will be the
same with you and me! But what does that matter to you and me! Other birds
will fly farther! This insight and faith of ours vies with them in flying up
and away; it rises above our heads and above our impotence into the heights
and from there surveys the distance and sees before it the flocks of birds
which, far stronger than we, still strive whither we have striven, and where
everything is sea, sea, sea!— And whither then would we go? Would we cross
the sea? Whither does this mighty longing draw us, this longing that is
worth more to us than any pleasure? Why just in this direction, thither
where all the sums of humanity have hitherto gone down? Will it perhaps be
said of us one day that we too, steering westward, hoped to reach an
India—but that it was our fate to be wrecked against infinity? Or, my
brothers. Or? —

Friedrich Nietzsche; Dawn
Grimly Fiendish
2006-06-29 15:30:29 UTC
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Post by Ed Cryer
Try this for size from Friedrich Nietzsche.
We aeronauts of the spirit!-
.................ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Ed Cryer
2006-06-29 17:37:19 UTC
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Post by Grimly Fiendish
Post by Ed Cryer
Try this for size from Friedrich Nietzsche.
We aeronauts of the spirit!-
.................ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Hands up. How many threes in nine?
Yes, Grimly.
Twenty seven, Miss.
No, no, Grimly. Try again.
Grimly deep-thinks.
Twenty eight, Miss.
No, no, try again.
Twenty nine, Miss.
............
............
.............
One hundred and fifty four, Miss.
No, no, no, no, no, Grimly. Now, just take your time a bit; the world is
waiting; it depends on you. Yes, my son, it depends on you. The whole
shebang hangs from your broad, manly shoulders. Future generations, unborn
but soon to carry the human spirit to new heights, look to you. You're their
guide. And you can't just go slobby-slobby I didn't ask to be born,
slumpy-slumpy, get pissed, wake up with a blinder, stagger back onto the
stage.

You are the teacher. You stand at the head of the class and guide the world.
The whole world, and nothing but the world. We all look to you to learn how
to preserve humanity in the face of all that threatens it. We wish we were
that strong. We want to be, but we can't make the grade. But you can. You
can see far, and you have the strength of body and mind.
Lead us onward. New challenges; new goals. But still humanity.
Grimly Fiendish
2006-06-30 01:57:12 UTC
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Post by Ed Cryer
Post by Grimly Fiendish
Post by Ed Cryer
Try this for size from Friedrich Nietzsche.
We aeronauts of the spirit!-
.................ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Hands up. How many threes in nine?
Yes, Grimly..............
<YAWN>
Grimly Fiendish
2006-06-28 16:01:56 UTC
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Post by Ed Cryer
Post by Max Demian
Post by Grimly Fiendish
Post by Ed Cryer
Post by ROS402dn
Post by Grimly Fiendish
In message
<snippy>
Post by Grimly Fiendish
Post by Grimly Fiendish
I don't on mine either so the question is why is this ? Is it home/pro
difference or what ?
So, when you goto -
Control Panel
Mouse
Hardware Tab
Properties button
Power Management Tab
You don't have -
http://www.bitbrain.dynu.com/Public/Screenshots/MouseProperties.png
No, only 3 tabs, no power management tab, could it be to do with the power
management settings, mines set to always on - never - never - never.
Ditto, Always On, Never, Never, Never.
Windows XP Pro SP2
3 button optical scroll wheel PS/2 mouse (Logitech),
Mine are Never, Never, Never, Never.
Windows XP Home SP2.
2 button + scroll PS/2 mouse .
Ed
Come on what's the answer, quit saying mine has it are you sure yours
doesn't have it to (ROS !), we established quite some time ago that some
have it and some don't (if you trust the folks on here to be clever
enough to know that !).
If i'm not mistaken it would appear that it doesn't matter wether you
have Home or Pro or what SP you have, as Ed has home and i have Pro with
SP2 and we don't have it, but Ros has Pro with SP2 and does, my SP2 was
added as an upgrade but i wouldn't have thought that would make a
difference.
Another possibilty is that Ros has got the proper Logitec driver
installed by the look of it, i'm using the generic PS/2 Compatible Mouse
driver, not sure about Ed, mines actually a 2 button + scroll PS/2 mouse
aswell but it's not been installed as that.
Yes, I think it is probably down to the mouse driver you have. I've got
the Microsoft PS/2 Compatible Mouse driver version 5.1.2600.0 dated
01/07/2001 and I don't have the Power Management Tab.
--
Max Demian
My mouse driver is the same.
As who's, running what ?
Post by Ed Cryer
Ed
P.S. I've lost track of why and wherefore in this thread, but somehow I
got involved in it and I feel morally obliged to keep going. I hope
someone knows where we're going.
I'm not sure now, i'm begining to lose track.
Post by Ed Cryer
How about the OP? Is he deriving any benefit?
Who knows, we need some sort of table, spreadsheet or flowchart here to be
able to look at and compare the data to analyse it for a pattern !
john2
2006-06-28 15:25:41 UTC
Permalink
ton + scroll PS/2 mouse aswell but
Post by Max Demian
Post by Grimly Fiendish
it's not been installed as that.
Yes, I think it is probably down to the mouse driver you have. I've got the
Microsoft PS/2 Compatible Mouse driver version 5.1.2600.0 dated 01/07/2001
and I don't have the Power Management Tab.
I don't think that's it. both my PC's have driver 5.1.2600.0 of
01/07/2001 (not sure if that's Jan. or July).
One has the power management tab and claims to be Microsoft PS/2 mouse
but is really a running cheapo Chinese USB optical, and the other
hasn't and claims to be a PS/2 compatible mouse which is actually a
Logitech optical USB with a PS/2 to USB adapter. I never installed any
Logitech drivers as they're another can of worms.

john2
Roger
2006-06-28 15:35:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Grimly Fiendish
ton + scroll PS/2 mouse aswell but
Post by Max Demian
Post by Grimly Fiendish
it's not been installed as that.
Yes, I think it is probably down to the mouse driver you have. I've got
the Microsoft PS/2 Compatible Mouse driver version 5.1.2600.0 dated
01/07/2001 and I don't have the Power Management Tab.
I don't think that's it. both my PC's have driver 5.1.2600.0 of
01/07/2001 (not sure if that's Jan. or July).
One has the power management tab and claims to be Microsoft PS/2 mouse but
is really a running cheapo Chinese USB optical, and the other hasn't and
claims to be a PS/2 compatible mouse which is actually a Logitech optical
USB with a PS/2 to USB adapter. I never installed any Logitech drivers as
they're another can of worms.
john2
Mine is the Kit of Desktop keyboard and Mouse LX500 usb.Used their cd to
install and get updates of driver no problems. And it shows this model
installed on properties ! Only problem I have is batteries don't last but
they advise you keep mouse on a piece of White paper which prolongs them
more.

"Roger"
====================== ======================
Max Demian
2006-06-28 18:54:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Roger
Post by Grimly Fiendish
ton + scroll PS/2 mouse aswell but
Post by Max Demian
Post by Grimly Fiendish
it's not been installed as that.
Yes, I think it is probably down to the mouse driver you have. I've got
the Microsoft PS/2 Compatible Mouse driver version 5.1.2600.0 dated
01/07/2001 and I don't have the Power Management Tab.
I don't think that's it. both my PC's have driver 5.1.2600.0 of
01/07/2001 (not sure if that's Jan. or July).
One has the power management tab and claims to be Microsoft PS/2 mouse
but is really a running cheapo Chinese USB optical, and the other hasn't
and claims to be a PS/2 compatible mouse which is actually a Logitech
optical USB with a PS/2 to USB adapter. I never installed any Logitech
drivers as they're another can of worms.
john2
Mine is the Kit of Desktop keyboard and Mouse LX500 usb.Used their cd to
install and get updates of driver no problems. And it shows this model
installed on properties ! Only problem I have is batteries don't last
How long do they last?
Post by Roger
but they advise you keep mouse on a piece of White paper which prolongs
them more.
I don't think I'd buy something that needs to be kept on a particular colour
of paper!
--
Max Demian
john2
2006-06-29 07:06:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Roger
Mine is the Kit of Desktop keyboard and Mouse LX500 usb.Used their cd to
install and get updates of driver no problems. And it shows this model
installed on properties ! Only problem I have is batteries don't last but
they advise you keep mouse on a piece of White paper which prolongs them
more.
"Roger"
I did got a battery optical mouse with the PC but it feels like a half
brick and is too heavy to use for long periods for programs like
CorelDraw. The cable mice are usually much lighter.

john2
Roger
2006-06-29 10:05:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by john2
Post by Roger
Mine is the Kit of Desktop keyboard and Mouse LX500 usb.Used their cd to
install and get updates of driver no problems. And it shows this model
installed on properties ! Only problem I have is batteries don't last
but they advise you keep mouse on a piece of White paper which prolongs
them more.
"Roger"
I did got a battery optical mouse with the PC but it feels like a half
brick and is too heavy to use for long periods for programs like
CorelDraw. The cable mice are usually much lighter.
john2
Are you sure it's not an optical brick ? or have you got a car 12v battery
inside !
john2
2006-07-01 20:57:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Roger
Post by john2
Post by Roger
Mine is the Kit of Desktop keyboard and Mouse LX500 usb.Used their cd to
install and get updates of driver no problems. And it shows this model
installed on properties ! Only problem I have is batteries don't last
but they advise you keep mouse on a piece of White paper which prolongs
them more.
"Roger"
I did got a battery optical mouse with the PC but it feels like a half
brick and is too heavy to use for long periods for programs like
CorelDraw. The cable mice are usually much lighter.
john2
Are you sure it's not an optical brick ? or have you got a car 12v battery
inside !
I dug out the kitchen scale and the OEM Targa wireless mouse with two
NiMH AA cells weighs in at 145 gm or 88 gm empty.
A similar shape Logitech "Click" one with a cable is 88 gm
A small generic chinese laptop mouse with cable, from a market trader:
60 gms

More than 1/4 pound for a mouse is way overweight and could cause
chronic RSI

John2
Grimly Fiendish
2006-06-29 11:10:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Roger
Post by Grimly Fiendish
ton + scroll PS/2 mouse aswell but
Post by Max Demian
Post by Grimly Fiendish
it's not been installed as that.
Yes, I think it is probably down to the mouse driver you have. I've got
the Microsoft PS/2 Compatible Mouse driver version 5.1.2600.0 dated
01/07/2001 and I don't have the Power Management Tab.
I don't think that's it. both my PC's have driver 5.1.2600.0 of
01/07/2001 (not sure if that's Jan. or July).
One has the power management tab and claims to be Microsoft PS/2 mouse
but is really a running cheapo Chinese USB optical, and the other hasn't
and claims to be a PS/2 compatible mouse which is actually a Logitech
optical USB with a PS/2 to USB adapter. I never installed any Logitech
drivers as they're another can of worms.
john2
Mine is the Kit of Desktop keyboard and Mouse LX500 usb.Used their cd to
install and get updates of driver no problems. And it shows this model
installed on properties ! Only problem I have is batteries don't last
but they advise you keep mouse on a piece of White paper which prolongs
them more.
No that's always the trouble with batteries they don't last !
Never buy anything that can't be switched off, i did (a mouse) it cost me
£10 a month in batteries, rechargable would be better but stll need the
ability to turn off.
As for the white paper, seems it ought to be black, as it's not so
reflective, thus reducing the response by the sensor led and hence the power
consumption.
Grimly Fiendish
2006-06-28 16:03:56 UTC
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Post by Grimly Fiendish
ton + scroll PS/2 mouse aswell but
Post by Max Demian
Post by Grimly Fiendish
it's not been installed as that.
Yes, I think it is probably down to the mouse driver you have. I've got
the Microsoft PS/2 Compatible Mouse driver version 5.1.2600.0 dated
01/07/2001 and I don't have the Power Management Tab.
I never installed any Logitech drivers as they're another can of worms.
No after a bad experience with incompatibility of Logitec drivers with
Windows drivers i never bothered installing manufacturers mouse software
again.
ROS402dn
2006-06-28 17:42:22 UTC
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In message <***@individual.net>
"Max Demian" <***@bigfoot.com> wrote:

<snippy>
Post by Max Demian
Yes, I think it is probably down to the mouse driver you have. I've got
the Microsoft PS/2 Compatible Mouse driver version 5.1.2600.0 dated
01/07/2001 and I don't have the Power Management Tab.
Ditto

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Grimly Fiendish
2006-06-29 11:11:54 UTC
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Post by ROS402dn
<snippy>
Post by Max Demian
Yes, I think it is probably down to the mouse driver you have. I've got
the Microsoft PS/2 Compatible Mouse driver version 5.1.2600.0 dated
01/07/2001 and I don't have the Power Management Tab.
Ditto
http://www.bitbrain.dynu.com/Public/Screenshots/MouseProperties3.png
Yep looks the same as mine.
Max Demian
2006-06-29 18:51:26 UTC
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Post by Grimly Fiendish
Post by ROS402dn
<snippy>
Post by Max Demian
Yes, I think it is probably down to the mouse driver you have. I've got
the Microsoft PS/2 Compatible Mouse driver version 5.1.2600.0 dated
01/07/2001 and I don't have the Power Management Tab.
Ditto
http://www.bitbrain.dynu.com/Public/Screenshots/MouseProperties3.png
Yep looks the same as mine.
You mean you *do* have the Power Management tab? I thought you didn't ;->

Back to square one...
--
Max Demian
Grimly Fiendish
2006-06-30 02:02:48 UTC
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Post by Max Demian
Post by Grimly Fiendish
Post by ROS402dn
<snippy>
Post by Max Demian
Yes, I think it is probably down to the mouse driver you have. I've got
the Microsoft PS/2 Compatible Mouse driver version 5.1.2600.0 dated
01/07/2001 and I don't have the Power Management Tab.
Ditto
http://www.bitbrain.dynu.com/Public/Screenshots/MouseProperties3.png
Yep looks the same as mine.
You mean you *do* have the Power Management tab? I thought you didn't ;->
Back to square one...
No i didn't realise he'd included the mouse properties box, neve scrolled
down so i didn't see it !!
So no, it's all the same as that apart from the mouse properties box which
only has five tabs not six (on that box).
Ed Cryer
2006-06-29 11:17:23 UTC
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Post by ROS402dn
<snippy>
Post by Max Demian
Yes, I think it is probably down to the mouse driver you have. I've got
the Microsoft PS/2 Compatible Mouse driver version 5.1.2600.0 dated
01/07/2001 and I don't have the Power Management Tab.
Ditto
http://www.bitbrain.dynu.com/Public/Screenshots/MouseProperties3.png
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I like the red band across computer name. Mine glares out like a billboard
poster.
Is it permanent, or did you do it just for this?

Ed
Grimly Fiendish
2006-06-29 11:26:39 UTC
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Post by ROS402dn
<snippy>
Post by Max Demian
Yes, I think it is probably down to the mouse driver you have. I've got
the Microsoft PS/2 Compatible Mouse driver version 5.1.2600.0 dated
01/07/2001 and I don't have the Power Management Tab.
Ditto
http://www.bitbrain.dynu.com/Public/Screenshots/MouseProperties3.png
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I like the red band across computer name. Mine glares out like a billboard
poster.
Is it permanent, or did you do it just for this?
LOL

You are joking ? You do *really* know why it's like that ?
Ed Cryer
2006-06-29 12:27:28 UTC
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Post by Ed Cryer
Post by ROS402dn
<snippy>
Post by Max Demian
Yes, I think it is probably down to the mouse driver you have. I've got
the Microsoft PS/2 Compatible Mouse driver version 5.1.2600.0 dated
01/07/2001 and I don't have the Power Management Tab.
Ditto
http://www.bitbrain.dynu.com/Public/Screenshots/MouseProperties3.png
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I like the red band across computer name. Mine glares out like a
billboard poster.
Is it permanent, or did you do it just for this?
LOL
You are joking ? You do *really* know why it's like that ?
Go on then, Grimly. Here's your chance to shine.
Grimly Fiendish
2006-06-29 15:32:21 UTC
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Post by Ed Cryer
Post by Grimly Fiendish
Post by Ed Cryer
Post by ROS402dn
<snippy>
Post by Max Demian
Yes, I think it is probably down to the mouse driver you have. I've got
the Microsoft PS/2 Compatible Mouse driver version 5.1.2600.0 dated
01/07/2001 and I don't have the Power Management Tab.
Ditto
http://www.bitbrain.dynu.com/Public/Screenshots/MouseProperties3.png
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I like the red band across computer name. Mine glares out like a
billboard poster.
Is it permanent, or did you do it just for this?
LOL
You are joking ? You do *really* know why it's like that ?
Go on then, Grimly. Here's your chance to shine.
Well i thought it was pretty obvious, you don't really want to be telling
everyone what your machine is called, so it was blanked out in a photo
editor before putting onsite !
ROS402dn
2006-06-29 12:24:25 UTC
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Post by Ed Cryer
Post by ROS402dn
<snippy>
Post by Max Demian
Yes, I think it is probably down to the mouse driver you have. I've got
the Microsoft PS/2 Compatible Mouse driver version 5.1.2600.0 dated
01/07/2001 and I don't have the Power Management Tab.
Ditto
http://www.bitbrain.dynu.com/Public/Screenshots/MouseProperties3.png
I like the red band across computer name. Mine glares out like a
billboard poster.
Is it permanent, or did you do it just for this?
Post screengrab edit.

It's to obscure the machine name, stops unwanted connections to the VNC
and NFS servers, if they don't know the machine name they can't connect,
I also have users and passwords setup, but, 3 levels of obscurity are better
than 2 ;)
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Max Demian
2006-06-29 18:55:07 UTC
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Post by ROS402dn
Post by Ed Cryer
Post by ROS402dn
<snippy>
Post by Max Demian
Yes, I think it is probably down to the mouse driver you have. I've got
the Microsoft PS/2 Compatible Mouse driver version 5.1.2600.0 dated
01/07/2001 and I don't have the Power Management Tab.
Ditto
http://www.bitbrain.dynu.com/Public/Screenshots/MouseProperties3.png
I like the red band across computer name. Mine glares out like a
billboard poster.
Is it permanent, or did you do it just for this?
Post screengrab edit.
It's to obscure the machine name, stops unwanted connections to the VNC
and NFS servers, if they don't know the machine name they can't connect,
I also have users and passwords setup, but, 3 levels of obscurity are better
than 2 ;)
Where does it come from? On mine it's a short but rather random sequence of
characters.
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Pod
2006-06-29 19:17:51 UTC
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Post by Max Demian
Where does it come from? On mine it's a short but rather random sequence
of characters.
When Windows is installed, you can call it whatever you want.
ROS402dn
2006-06-29 20:19:26 UTC
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Post by Pod
Post by Max Demian
Where does it come from? On mine it's a short but rather random sequence
of characters.
When Windows is installed, you can call it whatever you want.
And, you can change it any time you like.

Right click "My Computer"
"Properties"
"Computer name" tab
"Change ..." button
OK your way out.
Restart your PC.

Hope that no apps are stupid enough to rely on the machine name staying
the same. ;))
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Max Demian
2006-06-29 22:57:48 UTC
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Post by Pod
Post by Max Demian
Where does it come from? On mine it's a short but rather random sequence
of characters.
When Windows is installed, you can call it whatever you want.
Well it's not anything I would have called it. As I said, it's random.
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Pod
2006-06-30 01:19:12 UTC
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Post by Max Demian
Post by Pod
Post by Max Demian
Where does it come from? On mine it's a short but rather random sequence
of characters.
When Windows is installed, you can call it whatever you want.
Well it's not anything I would have called it. As I said, it's random.
It is random if you do not physically name it yourself.
Grimly Fiendish
2006-06-30 02:07:02 UTC
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Post by Max Demian
Post by Pod
Post by Max Demian
Where does it come from? On mine it's a short but rather random sequence
of characters.
When Windows is installed, you can call it whatever you want.
Well it's not anything I would have called it. As I said, it's random.
See my post above, it is random generated by Windows when installing it.
Grimly Fiendish
2006-06-30 02:05:45 UTC
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Post by Max Demian
Post by ROS402dn
Post by Ed Cryer
Post by ROS402dn
<snippy>
Post by Max Demian
Yes, I think it is probably down to the mouse driver you have. I've got
the Microsoft PS/2 Compatible Mouse driver version 5.1.2600.0 dated
01/07/2001 and I don't have the Power Management Tab.
Ditto
http://www.bitbrain.dynu.com/Public/Screenshots/MouseProperties3.png
I like the red band across computer name. Mine glares out like a
billboard poster.
Is it permanent, or did you do it just for this?
Post screengrab edit.
It's to obscure the machine name, stops unwanted connections to the VNC
and NFS servers, if they don't know the machine name they can't connect,
I also have users and passwords setup, but, 3 levels of obscurity are better
than 2 ;)
Where does it come from? On mine it's a short but rather random sequence
of characters.
It's generated when you install Windows, usually from some of the data if
you enter any (for example is you put the users name in it will add part of
it the numbers (i think these are randomly generated, you don't have to use
this though, you can type in anything you want.
Ed Cryer
2006-06-29 21:14:58 UTC
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Post by ROS402dn
Post by Ed Cryer
Post by ROS402dn
<snippy>
Post by Max Demian
Yes, I think it is probably down to the mouse driver you have. I've got
the Microsoft PS/2 Compatible Mouse driver version 5.1.2600.0 dated
01/07/2001 and I don't have the Power Management Tab.
Ditto
http://www.bitbrain.dynu.com/Public/Screenshots/MouseProperties3.png
I like the red band across computer name. Mine glares out like a
billboard poster.
Is it permanent, or did you do it just for this?
Post screengrab edit.
It's to obscure the machine name, stops unwanted connections to the VNC
and NFS servers, if they don't know the machine name they can't connect,
I also have users and passwords setup, but, 3 levels of obscurity are better
than 2 ;)
It looks just about the right length to be "ROS402dn".

Ed
ROS402dn
2006-06-29 21:42:50 UTC
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Post by Ed Cryer
Post by ROS402dn
Post by Ed Cryer
Post by ROS402dn
http://www.bitbrain.dynu.com/Public/Screenshots/MouseProperties3.png
I like the red band across computer name. Mine glares out like a
billboard poster.
Is it permanent, or did you do it just for this?
Post screengrab edit.
It's to obscure the machine name, stops unwanted connections to the VNC
and NFS servers, if they don't know the machine name they can't connect,
I also have users and passwords setup, but, 3 levels of obscurity are
better than 2 ;)
It looks just about the right length to be "ROS402dn".
Nope, think big white block first, then little red block. ;)
Clue, more than 20 characters. ;))
Try agin.

You may find that my RISC machines name is in the weblogs if you've visited
my bitbrain website, not sure, it's much shorter, only 7 chars.
It is shown on the PHP info page for my website.
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ROS402dn
2006-06-28 13:32:40 UTC
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Post by Ed Cryer
Post by ROS402dn
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Post by Grimly Fiendish
Post by ROS402dn
Post by Grimly Fiendish
I don't on mine either so the question is why is this ? Is it home/pro
difference or what ?
So, when you goto -
Control Panel
Mouse
Hardware Tab
Properties button
Power Management Tab
You don't have -
http://www.bitbrain.dynu.com/Public/Screenshots/MouseProperties.png
No, only 3 tabs, no power management tab, could it be to do with the power
management settings, mines set to always on - never - never - never.
Ditto, Always On, Never, Never, Never.
Windows XP Pro SP2
3 button optical scroll wheel PS/2 mouse (Logitech),
Mine are Never, Never, Never, Never.
Windows XP Home SP2.
2 button + scroll PS/2 mouse .
Ed
Come on what's the answer, quit saying mine has it are you sure yours
doesn't have it to (ROS !), we established quite some time ago that some
have it and some don't (if you trust the folks on here to be clever enough
to know that !).
If i'm not mistaken it would appear that it doesn't matter wether you have
Home or Pro or what SP you have, as Ed has home and i have Pro with SP2
and we don't have it, but Ros has Pro with SP2 and does, my SP2 was added
as an upgrade but i wouldn't have thought that would make a difference.
Another possibilty is that Ros has got the proper Logitec driver installed
by the look of it, i'm using the generic PS/2 Compatible Mouse driver, not
sure about Ed, mines actually a 2 button + scroll PS/2 mouse aswell but
it's not been installed as that.
SP2 was added.
The mouse driver is the generic MS PS/2 driver.
I boot from a FAT32 partition.
I use the classic interface rather than the XP one.
I have all web features disabled.
I don't have .NET 1 or 2 installed.
I have MS Remote desktop disabled.
I have all MS filesharing disabled.
I do have XP powertoys installed.
I have all file/folder options set to show all files, and all extensions.
My pagefile is on another FAT32 partition. (set to 2.5GB, 2.5x physical RAM)
System restore is only enabled on the XP boot drive.
I have ZA free edition.
I have AVAST personal (free) edition.
I don't have MS antispyware installed anymore, had a few conflicts with
the latest version.
I have VNC and NFS servers installed to allow filesharing and remote
control from any type of PC, not just windows.

Kitchen sink optional. ;)
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Grimly Fiendish
2006-06-29 11:22:47 UTC
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Post by ROS402dn
SP2 was added.
The mouse driver is the generic MS PS/2 driver.
I boot from a FAT32 partition.
I use the classic interface rather than the XP one.
I have all web features disabled.
I don't have .NET 1 or 2 installed.
I have MS Remote desktop disabled.
I have all MS filesharing disabled.
I do have XP powertoys installed.
I have all file/folder options set to show all files, and all extensions.
My pagefile is on another FAT32 partition. (set to 2.5GB, 2.5x physical RAM)
System restore is only enabled on the XP boot drive.
I have ZA free edition.
I have AVAST personal (free) edition.
I don't have MS antispyware installed anymore, had a few conflicts with
the latest version.
I have VNC and NFS servers installed to allow filesharing and remote
control from any type of PC, not just windows.
Mine :

SP2 was added.
The mouse driver is the generic MS PS/2 driver.
I boot from a NTFS partition.
I use the XP interface - could this make a difference ?
Web features - i don't if i have or not !
.NET 1 or 2 - probably got this as i use MSN but not sure.
I have MS Remote desktop enabled.
I have all MS filesharing disabled.
I don't have XP powertoys installed.
I have all file/folder options set to show all files, and all extensions.
My pagefile is as it was meant to be safe from limitation.
System restore is only enabled on the XP boot drive.
I have ZA free edition.
Windows is Pro, 2000 SP2 (added)
ROS402dn
2006-06-29 14:52:15 UTC
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Post by Grimly Fiendish
Web features - i don't if i have or not !
The ability to have webpages as backdrop, or in windows explorer windows.
Post by Grimly Fiendish
.NET 1 or 2 - probably got this as i use MSN but not sure.
Will show in add/remove programs as .NET framework.
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2006-06-29 15:33:13 UTC
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Post by ROS402dn
Post by Grimly Fiendish
Web features - i don't if i have or not !
The ability to have webpages as backdrop, or in windows explorer windows.
Post by Grimly Fiendish
.NET 1 or 2 - probably got this as i use MSN but not sure.
Will show in add/remove programs as .NET framework.
Yeah i got 1.1 and a patch for it.
Grimly Fiendish
2006-06-26 18:06:28 UTC
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Post by john2
I've got a couple of PC's, the older one is woken out of standby just by
moving the mouse a fraction. The newer one needs the power button to be
pressed. The old one is a right pain as just jogging the table starts it
up.
Optical mouse ?
Post by john2
Are there settings in control panel to adjust this ?
thanks
john2
JSPipe
2006-06-30 21:21:31 UTC
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Post by john2
I've got a couple of PC's, the older one is woken out of standby just by
moving the mouse a fraction. The newer one needs the power button to be
pressed. The old one is a right pain as just jogging the table starts it up.
Are there settings in control panel to adjust this ?
thanks
john2
Try turning the mouse upside down.
john2
2006-07-01 20:46:29 UTC
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Post by JSPipe
Post by john2
I've got a couple of PC's, the older one is woken out of standby just by
moving the mouse a fraction. The newer one needs the power button to be
pressed. The old one is a right pain as just jogging the table starts it up.
Are there settings in control panel to adjust this ?
thanks
john2
Try turning the mouse upside down.
I do if I remember, though it beams red light around the place which
could take your eye out. Then something drops on the keyboard and it
powers up again. It has a noisy and irritating fan unlike the new one
which has a heat pipe cooler and is nearly inaudible.

john2
Max Demian
2006-07-01 21:27:12 UTC
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Post by JSPipe
Post by john2
I've got a couple of PC's, the older one is woken out of standby just by
moving the mouse a fraction. The newer one needs the power button to be
pressed. The old one is a right pain as just jogging the table starts it up.
Are there settings in control panel to adjust this ?
thanks
john2
Try turning the mouse upside down.
I do if I remember, though it beams red light around the place which could
take your eye out. Then something drops on the keyboard and it powers up
again. It has a noisy and irritating fan unlike the new one which has a
heat pipe cooler and is nearly inaudible.
No good for a mechanical mouse.
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Grimly Fiendish
2006-07-12 02:34:03 UTC
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Post by JSPipe
Post by john2
I've got a couple of PC's, the older one is woken out of standby just by
moving the mouse a fraction. The newer one needs the power button to be
pressed. The old one is a right pain as just jogging the table starts it up.
Are there settings in control panel to adjust this ?
thanks
john2
Try turning the mouse upside down.
I do if I remember, though it beams red light around the place which could
take your eye out.
LOL, don't be daft !

Then something drops on the keyboard and it
powers up again. It has a noisy and irritating fan unlike the new one
which has a heat pipe cooler and is nearly inaudible.
john2
You should get a mouse that doesn't require a heatsink and fan then.
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